Trestle Valley Rangers
Cowboy Action Shooters Of the
Minot rifle & Pistol club
Minot N.D.
R.O. Corner
NOTE: ROI / ROII Classes
ROI & ROII classes are
scheduled for March 4th, 2012. The ROI class
will be from 8:30am-12:30pm then lunch will be
available. The ROII class will be from 1pm-4pm
the we will be on the indoor range for 1 hour of
practical field training. So that I have enough
materials & lunch for everyone, those who have
not yet registered, but wish to take either or
both courses need to contact me: email or call
701-720-1140 or use the link below so I can get
you on the list. Fees: ROI $10 / ROII $25 (fee
includes training materials, ROI pin /
ROII Certificate / ROII pin). There is no charge
for current ROI/ROIIs' wanting to take a
refresher during either class.
Location: The Minot Rifle and Pistol Club's
indoor range facilities are located west of
Minot on US 2/52. GPS: 48º 13’ 20” N x 101º
23’ 17” W From Minot, proceed west on US 2/52.
Go 1.3 miles west of Behm's Truck Stop/Country
Kitchen Restaurant and turn left (CR-17). Follow
the road (CR-17) under the trestle bridge and
bear left at the intersection (62nd St. SW). The
indoor range is on the right hand side at the
top of the hill (about 1/2 mile). It is a grey
steel building with green trim.
Charlie T Waite: RO Instructor
Download The Most Current Version Of The SASS Manuals Below:
New Shooter Orientation Guide (January 2012)
SASS Shooters Handbook (January 2012)
SASS ROI Course (January 2012)
SASS ROII Course (January 2012)
Match Administration (Latest Edition)
Match Design (Latest Edition)
Costume Administration (Latest Edition)
Wild Bunch Action Shooting:
WBAS Shooting Handbook (Latest Edition)
WBAS Orientation Outline (Latest Edition)
WBAS RO/MD Handbook (Latest Edition)
Gun Cart Plans:
Ultra Light Gun Cart Rough Rider Gun Cart
Small Folding Gun Cart Cherokee Cowboy Gun Cart
Marauders Gun Cart Russ n Hound Gun Cart
(Viewing any of the above files requires Adobe Acrobat Reader, available free.)
If you have a topic for "what's the call" submit it to me. You might just see your question show up here.
What's the call?
Shooter has already
shot their rifle and shotgun. They are now beginning a sweep type pistol
sequence. The 1st round out of the 1st pistol is a squibb. They hand the
gun off.
Where does the shooter start with the second pistol - Where the 2nd
pistol was supposed to be or where the 1st pistol was supposed to start,
or does it matter as long as it follows the proper sequence?
Either would be okay, unless the
shooter wanted to shoot it dry and reload five on the clock to avoid the
misses. In that case, the shooter would need to start where the first
shot should be. Then reload for shots 6-10. Same as if a shooter jacked
out a rifle round during the shooting string. Shooter's option to take
the miss (es) or RE-engage the same target (s); then reload at the end
of the string. If the shooter opted to NOT reload the functional
revolver, the misses would then be at the END of the string, OR...take
the misses for the 1st revolver and pickup on the 6th shot with the
other. There are a lot of
people who can load 5 faster than 25 seconds worth of misses (this is
done quite often at State, Regional & National matches).
What's the call?
Procedural calls are the most
misunderstood calls I see. I've seen them not called because even the
TOs thought that more than one person needs to spot it for it to be
called. I've even seen / heard TOs say after a shooter committed a
procedural , "did you see the procedural", when spotters all said "No".
The TO went on to say that there was a procedural but since spotters
didn't see it, "no call". So here is another quick question: Does a "P"
need a majority of spotters to be called?
Answer: The Spotters are the authority as to determining misses. They
can be questioned by the T.O., but the bottom line is that they make the
call when it comes to misses. It's a different story when it comes to
Procedurals'. In that case, the Spotters "Assist" the T.O.
It is the T.O. that determines if a "P"
should be awarded to the shooter.
That determination should take into account what the spotters input is.
Normally the T.O. would accept the input from the Spotters. But, there
could certainly be a case where the T.O. had a better view of the
situation. In such a case the T.O. would not be bound to report
the "P" to the Scorekeeper.
Charlie T Waite: RO Instructor
NEW RULES / CLARIFICATIONS
Some questions have hit the Instructor wire recently from other areas about horizontal or muzzle-down gun-carts.
There are
NO
EXCEPTIONS that allow sweeping others with the muzzle of any
firearm with the gun 'in hand'.
It may sometimes be difficult/inconvenient for a shooter to park a
horizontal or muzzle-down gun-cart on an "open range" in such a manner
that s/he is able to manipulate the muzzles without sweeping anyone, but
that does NOT negate any penalty for sweeping others.
There are a number of possible solutions:
1) Park the gun-cart with the muzzles oriented downrange as close to the
firing line as possible.
2) ASK other shooters/observers to "make a hole" when removing/returning
firearms from/to the gun-cart
3) Have the PM designate a "no standing" area for those with
horizontal/muzzle-down gun-carts.
4) Keep the muzzles DOWN (where allowed) when moving from cart to LT &
ULT to cart.
SHOTGUN BREAK ACTION Limit
• Internal mechanisms to guarantee
break action shotguns do not close accidentally may be added or
modified.
• The open angle for break action shotguns may be increased.
ADD:
• The top opening lever on break action shotguns may be bent
(re-profiled) by no more than ½” from the center of the tang to the
outside edge of the lever.
SHB p.9
"REVOLVER IN HAND" Clarification (March 2011):
The RO Committee has arrived at a
consensus on how to best clarify the question of what is meant by "in
hand" as applied to loaded revolvers. The following will be posted
on the TG, RO, and ROC Wires (to be added to the next edit of the RO1
"Glossary of Terms") :
"REVOLVER IN HAND" is defined as
it applies to:
Holstered = Muzzle clear of the mouth of the holster (i.e. "out of
leather")
Staged = Muzzle no longer in contact with the surface of the initial
staging point
...this provides the same
allowance for a 'full grip' on the second (loaded) revolver while firing
the first no matter how/where the revolver (s) start on the stage.
Once the muzzle clears the holster
or all contact is broken with the prop, the shooter is in violation if
not registered as a GF or BW competitor.
The 170º rule, by definition:
DOES NOT
always apply to/from/at the
loading/unloading tables.
This is due to the wide variations in range/stage
setups...it does on some ranges, if they are on a common
firing line with the stage itself (e.g.
LT/STAGE1/ULT..LT/STAGE2/ULT...).
Quotes
(Note: The 170-degree safety rule means the muzzle of the
firearm must always be straight down range +/- 85 degrees in
any direction. If a competitor “comes close” to breaking the
180-degree safety plane, the 170-degree safety rule has been
violated, and the competitor is at fault.)
SHB p.24/RO1 p.19
170º Safety Rule - means the muzzle of the firearm must
always be pointed down range +/- 85 degrees in any
direction.
RO1 "Glossary of Terms" p.30
J) Once the stage begins, the
Timer Operator stays within arm’s length of the competitor
until the stage is finished. The Timer Operator then
immediately announces the stage time to the shooter. Only
after revolvers are holstered and long guns are action
opened, muzzles pointed in a safe direction, and the shooter
is heading towards the unloading table does the Timer
Operator, declare “Range is Clear” and conveys the time to
the Score Keeper in a loud, clear voice.
RO1 p.8
4. “Muzzle up” Please move to
the Unloading Table” should be stated at the end of a
shooting sequence. Often the competitor stops thinking—after
all, his shooting problem is finished! He simply needs a
gentle reminder of what to do next.
RO1 p.13
2. Long guns will have their
actions open with chambers and magazines empty and muzzles
pointed in a safe direction when being carried to and from
the designated loading and unloading areas for each stage.
...The muzzles of all long guns must be maintained in a safe
direction (generally “up” and slightly down range), even
when returning to the unloading table.
RO1 p.15
The "problem" seems to be the
parenthetical "generally "up" and slightly down range" as a
definition of suggested "safe direction"... It should
be obvious that the reference to "slightly down range"
applies primarily DURING the stage engagement...if the
muzzle of a firearm is pointed straight UP during the
'course of fire' (i.e. @ 180º), the shooter is in violation
of the 170º rule.
Once the stage has ended & the shooter is headed to the ULT,
there are often personnel DOWN-range (e.g. setting
targets/picking brass)...at that point, "slightly downrange"
might not necessarily be a "best practice" (depending on
range/stage layout). COMMON SENSE should be used to determine the safest
direction to point muzzles when moving from the LT to the
stage & from the stage to the ULT. UP has already been
determined to be considered acceptable.
The
PRIMARY consideration is to avoid SWEEPING anyone with the
muzzle of ANY firearm at ANY time. -
PaleWolf Brunelle - SASS RO Committee